Horowitz on Rosen: "I've met some moderate Muslims ... But there were a lot of good Germans too, and what good did that do?"

Summary: Discussing "Islamofascism" on Mike Rosen's Newsradio 850 KOA program, right-wing pundit and author David Horowitz stated that although he's met "some moderate Muslims" and "I'm sure there's ... quite a few of them," there were "a lot of good Germans too, and what good did that do?" Rosen in the past has declared that "gratuitous comparisons to Hitler and Nazis always annoy me, because they trivialize the seriousness of what Nazism was all about."

On May 22, conservative author and activist David Horowitz told Newsradio 850 KOA host Mike Rosen that "people keep talking about moderate Muslims, and yeah, I've met some moderate Muslims, and I'm sure there's ... quite a few of them. But there were a lot of good Germans too, and what good did that do?" Continuing to discuss "Islamofascism" later in the program, Horowitz said, "[W]hat on earth do these people have to lose by defying us, since the Democratic Party is doing their work for them? We are a divided nation; they can see that. We have people counseling -- you know, talk, talk, talk. Well, you can talk; that's what they did with Hitler, they talked to him until he got so powerful it cost 70 million lives to stop him. The Democrats are the party of appeasement and defeat."

Horowitz also made Nazi allusions on Rosen's August 15, 2006, program when he told Rosen, "[P]sychological denial is what the left is about. It will not recognize that we have enemies that want to kill us. The Jews did this during the Second World War; that's why so many of them went to the ovens. They would not believe the Germans, uh, would incinerate them, and therefore they didn't defend themselves -- uh, and that's the way I see the Democratic Party today."

In addition, on July 17, 2007, comparing Michael Moore's documentary Sicko, about the U.S. health care system, to Nazi propaganda, Rosen asserted, "If you admire propaganda of the Goebbels variety, of the [Leni] Riefenstahl variety, then this ... is well-done propaganda." Later in that broadcast, Rosen asked Horowitz, ""[W]ould Leni Riefenstahl be proud of this film?" His comments referenced Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Germany's propaganda minister, and Leni Riefenstahl, director of the 1935 Nazi propaganda film Triumph of the Will.

As Colorado Media Matters also noted, despite making or uncritically allowing his guests to make numerous Nazi allusions on his show, Rosen on August 3, 2007, declared that "gratuitous comparisons to Hitler and Nazis always annoy me, because they trivialize the seriousness of what Nazism was all about."

From the May 22 broadcast of Newsradio 850 KOA's The Mike Rosen Show:

ROSEN: Let's talk about terminology just for a moment. You and I have both used the word "Islamofascism" to describe the ideology that we're up against. Rather than call it the war on "terror," which is a tactic, isn't it more accurate to talk about this war defending ourselves from Islamofascism?

HOROWITZ: Absolutely, but the Bush administration has just outlawed the use of the word "Islamic" to describe the terror. You know, what else is it? It is a movement within Islam that encompasses between -- the movement within Islam encompasses between 150 and 750 million people, depending on which poll you look at, whether it's 10 percent or 50 percent of Muslims. I am carrying on a campaign right now on American campuses; every Muslim students association in the United States is part of the Muslim Brotherhood and part of this jihad; they're not ethnic or religious organizations. But if you criticize them -- and they bring these lunatic speakers to campus: Jew haters, homosexual haters, and American haters. But if you criticize them or point that out, you're attacked as an Islamophobe. And this is the biggest problem we face in defending ourselves, the political correctness which says that you are not allowed to mention the fact that this is a fanatical religious movement. It's OK to call the Catholics who supported Franco clerical fascists; it's OK to condemn the Ku Klux Klan, which is a Christian organization, but you can't condemn terrorist organizations as Islamic, even though they are.

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HOROWITZ: The Muslims believe they have one global Muslim empire, so talking about states doesn't make a lot of sense. If the United States were to leave Iraq, as [Democrats U.S. Speaker of the House] Nancy Pelosi, and [U.S. Senate Majority Leader] Harry Reid and [Sen.] Barack Obama want, then [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad would be the reigning power in Iraq, and there would be a bloodbath of monster proportions. And then there would be a war in the Middle East, because these Sunni states would be pretty upset, shall we say. And since the Shias -- since this is a messianic movement to, you know, change the world, they can't stop at any point; they have to keep expanding the Islamic empire. We have to just fight this war till we win. And that's not going to be, you know, for decades. Democrats don't understand this, because to understand it they would have to face the terrible thing that they have done over the last five years, which is to sabotage this war.

ROSEN: You don't think that Barack Obama as president could just use diplomacy and his personal charm to talk them out of it?

HOROWITZ: Ahamdinejad believes that he has met the 12th imam, who died, by the way, a thousand years ago, and that the 12th imam is bringing about Armageddon, and the way to do that is to sow chaos. This is all in black and white; you can read Ahmadinejad's statements. This would include a nuclear war in the Middle East and particularly the extermination of the Jews -- which, after all, the prophet Mohammed said that the Day of Judgment will come when Muslims fight Jews and kill them. That's what we're dealing with. And people keep talking about moderate Muslims, and yeah, I've met some moderate Muslims, and I'm sure there's, you know, quite a few of them. But there were a lot of good Germans too, and what good did that do?

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HOROWITZ: And what on earth do these people have to lose by defying us, since the Democratic Party is doing their work for them? We are a divided nation; they can see that. We have people counseling -- you know, talk, talk, talk. Well, you can talk; that's what they did with Hitler, they talked to him until he got so powerful it cost 70 million lives to stop him. The Democrats are the party of appeasement and defeat. They've been that way, actually, for decades, but particularly since the beginning of the Iraq war. And unfortunately, as I say, since the Republicans don't want to fight this battle, they prefer to pretend that the problem isn't there in some way, we're in a lot of trouble.

—C.K. & J.F.B.