"Gunny" Bob: Senate immigration bill "is going to kill people"
Summary: Disparaging illegal immigrants and labeling a proposed immigration reform measure an "amnesty bill," Newsradio 850 KOA host "Gunny" Bob Newman asserted on his May 18 show that the federal legislation "is going to kill people." Further, Newman made the baseless claim that a Latino civil-rights organization is a "hard-core racist" group that aims to "re-seize the American Southwest and break away from the United States."
After making the unsubstantiated claim that The National Council of La Raza is a "hard-core racist, separatist group" that had been "involved" in drafting proposed federal immigration reform legislation, Newsradio 850 KOA's "Gunny" Bob Newman asserted on his May 18 broadcast that the bill "is going to kill people." Newman further asserted that "treating the illegal aliens with dignity and with respect and with kindness and with generosity" was much more important to President Bush and the Senate leadership than "Americans not being run over by illegal aliens driving drunk" or "3-year-old girls not being molested and raped by illegal aliens, elderly people in their homes at night not being shot to death by illegal aliens who ... broke into their home."
Before his rant, Newman claimed that La Raza seeks to "re-seize the American Southwest and break away from the United States; form their own country that includes ... Mexico and down into Central America; and throw out everybody, everybody who isn't Hispanic." Newman's comments about La Raza were similar to those of former Republican and Reform Party presidential candidate Pat Buchanan, who said on the September 5, 2006, broadcast of 630 KHOW-AM's The Peter Boyles Show that "Mexican consuls, and intellectuals, and writers, and journalists, and others" sought "re-annexation -- linguistically, culturally, socially, and ethnically -- of the Southwest [United States]."
Newman repeatedly referred to the legislation, Senate Bill 1348, as an "amnesty bill," a characterization disputed by White House officials and by U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff.
From the May 18 broadcast of Newsradio 850 KOA's The Gunny Bob Show:
NEWMAN: I want to know. La Raza -- otherwise known as "the movement" -- this is a hard-core racist, separatist group that has been involved in getting the legislation for the amnesty bill written. You know, getting the words written the way they've been written. They have been seen going in and out of senators' offices. None of them that I know of have been seen around the White House. What they want to do is, is re-seize the American Southwest and break away from the United States; form their own country that includes, you know, Mexico and down into Central America; and throw out everybody, everybody who isn't Hispanic. Everybody gone. Arabs, blacks, whites, Asians. If, if you're -- if they are successful and you're there you don't look like them, you're gone. 303-713-8585. But, now, why didn't Senator Salazar tell his constituents -- that would be you and I if you live in Colorado, although we're going out to 38 states, three countries, and a small moon -- why didn't he tell us about La Raza being involved in the writing of this legislation. Why?!
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NEWMAN: Listen, if the illegal aliens broke our laws in the first place, is there any reason -- I mean, why should we think that they will obey our laws now? This doesn't make any sense, this amnesty bill. It's, it's pure unadulterated amnesty, and you're going to pay for it and I'm going to pay for it, and people are going to die because of it. 303-713-8585. I'm "Gunny" Bob on 850 KOA. Let's return to the phones. Time on deck is, is 11:43. This bill is going to kill people, and the president and the -- and the Senate leadership doesn't -- they don't care. They don't care, because treating the illegal aliens with dignity and with respect and with kindness and with generosity is much more important than, than Americans being safe, and Americans not having their wages depressed because of illegal aliens, and Americans not being run over by illegal aliens driving drunk, and police officers -- say, in Denver -- not being shot to death by illegal aliens, police officers in Los Angeles not being hit in the head with frozen water bottles, 3-year-old girls not being molested and raped by illegal aliens, elderly people in their homes at night not being shot to death by illegal aliens who breaked into -- broke into their home.
—J.S.W.
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i dont know who writes stories like this and makes it out to seem its not true. but i have news for you. THIS IS TRUE LaRaza did help the US senate write the immigration reform. This was reported both on world net daily and the washington post websights.
LaRaza does mean "the race" and they only look out for the hispanic people and no one else. The groups does believe that most of the southwest was STOLEN was Mexico and say they are here to take it back in the name of AZTLAN.
As for the claim that illegals will keep killing Americans--- BELIEVE IT. Rep King of Iowa last year published a report about illegals and the deaths of Americans. the report came to this conclusion.... 12 on average are murdered every day in violent crimes and another 13 are killed on average each day by illegals who drive drunk. that is 25 a day. 175 a week. 700 every four weeks. Get your facts straight before you post negative or wrong info
Not sure King was that accurate:
THE PURVEYORS: U.S. Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), in a May 5, 2006, column on his website, claimed that a day without immigrants would create a far safer America: "The lives of 12 U.S. citizens would be saved who otherwise die a violent death at the hands of murderous illegal aliens each day. Another 13 Americans would survive who are otherwise killed each day by uninsured drunk driving illegals." King's claim has been repeated hundreds of times, sometimes by extremist activists like Clyde Harkins of the American Constitution Party, and frequently by radio hosts like Peter Boyles of Denver's KHOW-AM. Boyles also suggested last year that undocumented immigrants had murdered 45,000 American citizens since Sept. 11, 2001.
THE FACTS: King claimed he had "extrapolated" his numbers from a study by the General Accounting Office, Congress' nonpartisan investigative arm, that he said showed 28% of inmates in local jails and state and federal prisons were "criminal aliens." What the GAO study actually reported was that 27% of federal prisoners were immigrants, legally here or otherwise. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics' figures on incarcerated persons, federal prisoners made up about 8% of the total incarcerated population. Given that, the 28% figure cited by King represents about 2% of the total number of persons in jails and prisons in the country. What's more, another GAO study estimated that only 12% of the non-citizens in federal custody were there for committing violent crimes. The GAO did not distinguish between those who were in the U.S. lawfully and those who were not. Regarding the claim of 45,000 Americans murdered by illegal immigrants, FBI statistics show some 85,000 murders from 9/11 to the end of 2006. If the claim by Boyles and others were true, that would mean undocumented immigrants, who make up fewer than 5% of the U.S. population, were responsible for 53% of all murders.
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.jsp?aid=255&site_area=1
Rep. King's assertion that statistics show illegal immigrants kill 25 Americans daily has been debunked thoroughly. Actual federal statistics show that his premise was flawed; additionally, the math he used to "extrapolate" the 25 deaths figure was faulty. Nevertheless, this myth has been repeated time and time again by people such as Peter Boyles or this poster who have not bothered to do some simple checking to determine their veracity. We have. It's a myth. Read this and do the math yourself:
http://colorado.mediamatters.org/items/200704250005
Bill Menezes
Editorial Director
Colorado Media Matters
Uh oh, JWEISINGER1709. You are combating retoric with fact. That won't make you many friends here... Good work.
Actually, Bad Work. The "25 deaths a day" myth has been debunked with facts, which JWEISINGER1709 has not taken the trouble to check. It's a bogus figure based on a flawed premise and a flawed "extrapolation" by Rep. King, and actual statistics on crime and the prison population contradict it.
Further, this bogus figure gets stretched even more by people such as Peter Boyles and his guests, who claim is it a statistic from a Government Accountability Office report requested by King. No such report exists. Look it up for yourself, as we did, if you want to collect facts.
Bill Menezes
Editorial Director
Colorado Media Matters
I'm sure you don't believe them, but have you ever been to the NCLR (La Raza's) website? It is very interesting.
NCLR Position
NCLR supports comprehensive immigration reform that includes the following principles: 1) a path to citizenship for the current undocumented population; 2) the creation of new legal channels for future immigrant workers; 3) a reduction of family immigration backlogs; and 4) the protection of civil rights and civil liberties. By legalizing immigrants who live, work, and contribute to life in the U.S., the U.S. could deal fairly with hardworking people who have responded to an economic reality ignored by the law. At the same time, the U.S. can become more secure by enforcing the new law and by allowing undocumented immigrants to come out of the shadows and participate fully in their communities.
http://www.nclr.org/content/policy/detail/1058/
What does the term “La Raza” mean?The term “La Raza” has its origins in early 20th century Latin American literature and translates into English most closely as “the people,” or, according to some scholars, “the Hispanic people of the New World.” The term was coined by Mexican scholar José Vasconcelos to reflect the fact that the people of Latin America are a mixture of many of the world’s races, cultures, and religions. Some people have mistranslated “La Raza” to mean “The Race,” implying that it is a term meant to exclude others. In fact, the full term coined by Vasconcelos, “La Raza Cósmica,” meaning the “cosmic people,” was developed to reflect not purity but the mixture inherent in the Hispanic people. This is an inclusive concept, meaning that Hispanics share with all other peoples of the world a common heritage and destiny.
http://www.nclr.org/section/about/mission
And some more......
Q: Does NCLR support an amnesty?A: No. NCLR supports a path to citizenship for immigrant workers that requires them to earn permanent status over time. Unlike amnesty – which is an immediate and complete pardon – to earn permanent status an immigrant would have to register with the government, undergo a criminal background check, maintain a clean record, pay all taxes, learn English, and pay a fine to the government. This is very different from an “amnesty.”
http://www.nclr.org/content/policy/detail/1058/
Q: Does NCLR believe in open borders?A: No. NCLR does not and has never advocated open borders. We believe that the U.S. is a sovereign country with the right to control its borders. We care a great deal about how our borders are enforced; NCLR has long argued that enforcement at the border and in the interior must be conducted in a way that maximizes effectiveness without undercutting our values as a nation. We are especially troubled that more than a decade of increased enforcement measures along the U.S.-Mexico border have resulted in a steep increase in the number of border deaths without much impact in deterring migration. NCLR takes the position that any border enforcement policies must be both effective and humane.
And for those who think they only work on immigration issues:
What will happen in 2007?
Both the House and Senate leadership have made immigration reform a priority for 2007, and President Bush has spoken about the need for comprehensive reform. In early 2007 Representatives Gutierrez (D-IL) and Flake (R-AZ) introduced the bipartisan "Security through Regularized Immigration and a Vibrant Economy Act of 2007" ("STRIVE Act"). The STRIVE Act contains all of the key elements of comprehensive immigration reform and improves upon last year's Senate bill. The Senate is expected to act on an immigration bill in spring.
For more information about comprehensive immigration reform, see the Coalition for Comprehensive Immigration Reform (CCIR) website, www.cirnow.org.
NCLR is engaged in many immigration issues including the REAL ID Act, state and local police enforcement of immigration laws, the DREAM Act, AgJOBS, driver’s license access for immigrants, and post 9-11 civil liberties.
http://www.nclr.org/content/policy/detail/1058/
Wow. We got Mr. Menezes himself out for this one! Cool!
Typical CMM tactics: Write an article that raises a false arguement: Newman's claim: "...(the) bill is going to kill people..." and attack it with pure retoric and without any facts to back it up. What, NO ONE is going to be killed ever again by an illegal / newly legal alien once this becomes law? Then, when someone challenges the false arguement / retoric with facts, simply label them "bogus" and proceed to attack the facts with skewed "facts" of your own which, even if they're completely true, DON'T DISPROVE Newman's original arguement!
The mind boggleth!
Let's say, for arguement's sake, the rebuttal figures presented here are iron-clad. American citizens will STILL be killed by illegal immigrants which will have been given amnesty (despite what the President or NCLR says) the second Mr. Bush puts his signature on the bill! What number of American murder victims killed by now newly legal immigrants is acceptable to you guys!?
And WHAT, exactly, did Newman say above that is disproven by ANY of this?
And before anyone tries to play the race card: I believe most illegals are good-natured in their desire to be here. No. I don't automatically equate illegal aliens with "criminal" beyond their original offense, which is not violent. I'm just consistently amazed by the complete lack of logic that's presented here and the blind following such nonsense seems to have.
FBB: No one can say for sure how many illegal aliens commit murders in this country. In our politically-correct downward sprial, the government dosen't want to offend by keeping such statistics. There are tons of independent studies all with their biases and motivations that extrapolate and estimate the numbers you and Mr. Menezes used, but they are all just that: Estimates! How about some facts from the GAO itself: No Boyles. No Rep. King. No Colorado Media Matters. Just simple math.
55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in prisons from all levels of government during 2003. Twelve percent for violent crimes. That's at least 6,639 victims of murder, assault and sex crimes.
The 55,322 illegal aliens represented a total of 459,614 arrests. Around eight arrests per illegal alien.
Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses Thirteen offenses per illegal alien.
For there to be 700,000 criminal offenses, there had to be at least 700,000 times people were victims of those offenses.You're answering your own arguement. Are these numbers in any way acceptable to you?!
And when you simply cut-and-paste from the NCLR website, OF COURSE you're going to get the Beaver Cleaver version of things. Dig just a little deeper, and you'll find such disturbing items like a quote from former Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo who said in a speech in Chicago to the La Raza Council that, "...I proudly affirm(ed) that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important – a very important – part of this." This was met with a standing ovation. How is THAT supposed to jive with all the slick PR you've found at nclr.org? And if the Mexican nation extends beyond it's territory, where is it going to go? The moon?
Or just plug "La Raza" and "Palestinians" into a search engine and you'll find a ton of attempted parallels between the two trying to make tortured points like, "...both La Raza and the Palestinians have been displaced by invaders that have utilized military means to conquer and occupy our territories." Does that sound like a desire for a "path to citizenship" to you!?
"...OUR territories." Sounds pretty hard-core and seperatist to me. If it's all right to include La Raza in the drafting of the Immigration Bill, then let's include "Big Oil" in the drafting of an Energy Bill.I'm no big fan of Bob Newman guys, but just a little fairness, please Just like CMM, he sometimes, albeit rarely, makes good points.
SB,
Please save your tirade. I was merely responding to the poster, not Gunny Bob. The statistics from King are dubious because he cites a study not done to the level King said. Gunny has a right to his opinion, and, in this case, he may have some points, but the poster was citing something that was not true.
I cited the La Raza website because people in this country are innocent until proven guilty. We can't point to some statements without pointing to others when an organization still has some rhetoric that does not make sense to their mission statement. Leaders from both political parties, (Chuck Hagel, Jesse Helms for instance) say things that most in their party don't believe. I am sorry if I have offended you.
FBB: No worries. You'll find it very hard to offend me.
And, not picking on you, but what was the point of the entire CMM article? Slamming Newman for a completely reasonable statement! Then when the big guns here attempt to justify it against evidence to the contrary, they simply prove his point, declare victory and move on! So what, beyond just an irrational hatred of any syllable that might exit his mouth, is the reason the article was written in the first place? (Maybe a mutation of BDS: NDS Stage Two! Run away!)
Unfair, biased and partisan.
La Raza: Not sure what innocent until proven guilty means in this context. The point is that they were involved in crafting this legislation! I ask again: How is that any better than big oil crafting a national energy policy?
I will now go off on my non-offended merry way.
Oh good! A discussion fest between Fiederbergboy and Spongebob over Gooney Boob. Semper Fi boys!
SB,
Not sure if you saw this, and it definitely does not relate to this, but what did you think of this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679/
Or the CIA brief which said Plame was covert at the time of outing:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070529_Unclassified_Plame_employement.pdf
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